The jazz legacy, as i see it. - Pittsburgh Jazz Network2024-03-29T08:19:47Zhttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/forum/topics/the-jazz-legacy-as-i-see-it?groupUrl=preservingjazzlegacy&commentId=1992552%3AComment%3A174549&groupId=1992552%3AGroup%3A172322&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJoining a 6-year-old discussi…tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2017-11-12:1992552:Comment:4184122017-11-12T17:56:19.994ZBob Garvinhttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/BobGarvin
<p>Joining a 6-year-old discussionis odd, but I'm surprised to learn that a love of jazz got underway in the hard bop era. I think of jazz as being an aquired taste, , including accessibility and progression. Most Western ears, hearing Chinese music for the first time, would find it pleasing, I don't believe. But a billion or so Chinese must. I had the advantage as a kid of hearing my sisters play big band or New Orleans type music on a wind-up victrola over and over. That;s what was constantly…</p>
<p>Joining a 6-year-old discussionis odd, but I'm surprised to learn that a love of jazz got underway in the hard bop era. I think of jazz as being an aquired taste, , including accessibility and progression. Most Western ears, hearing Chinese music for the first time, would find it pleasing, I don't believe. But a billion or so Chinese must. I had the advantage as a kid of hearing my sisters play big band or New Orleans type music on a wind-up victrola over and over. That;s what was constantly on the radio and all the juke boxes. That's what I mean by accessible. As for progression, I then adapted quickly to what Bird, Diz, and Thelonius were doing. I have a hard time believing that someone growing up with country/western musicwould latch on to bebop or bop without having had some form of jazz or swing as a forerunner. What I didn't like about the fifties was that great rhythm-and-blues was transformed into rock-and-roll by dumbing down the syncopated beats of jazz and blues. Dixieland evolved into John Coltrane. Elvis Presley evolved into grunge---whatever that is. But jazz has not entirely lost its voice or a devoted following. Young players are coming out of University programs in surprising numbers.</p> With WYEP's acquisition of WD…tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2011-01-15:1992552:Comment:1747032011-01-15T14:34:44.970ZTravis Kleinhttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/TravisKlein
With WYEP's acquisition of WDUQ do you think that a lobbying effort to influence programming might be helpful?
With WYEP's acquisition of WDUQ do you think that a lobbying effort to influence programming might be helpful? Amen Brother.tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2011-01-15:1992552:Comment:1745492011-01-15T00:07:49.160ZDr. Nelson Harrisonhttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/NelsonHarrison
Amen Brother.
Amen Brother. Obviouly...some folks have no…tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2011-01-14:1992552:Comment:1745382011-01-14T18:02:12.874ZKevin Amoshttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/Kevin6
<p>Obviouly...some folks have not been following certain folks on the air. While to markey the music to the public is the goal, a lot of us were never part of the payola game to push certain records on the air. That is NOT how you further the Jazz legacy. The truth is in the music and the knowledge and information you pass on. Not how popular you are to a certain group of people as is the case here and in many parts of the country.</p>
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<p>Obviouly...some folks have not been following certain folks on the air. While to markey the music to the public is the goal, a lot of us were never part of the payola game to push certain records on the air. That is NOT how you further the Jazz legacy. The truth is in the music and the knowledge and information you pass on. Not how popular you are to a certain group of people as is the case here and in many parts of the country.</p>
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<p>Kevin</p> Nelson, I'm a believer t…tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2011-01-14:1992552:Comment:1746682011-01-14T14:47:09.833ZTravis Kleinhttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/TravisKlein
<p> Nelson, I'm a believer that jazz without education is dead. People need a reason to care. It always starts with the music. Your comment about sidemen is relevant to me. Blue Note and Prestige were great practitioners of giving a good sidemen an opportunity and matching players.</p>
<p> I also feel that presenting jazz in a concert setting saps the life and passion from it. The interaction between player and audience in a club where I'm ten feet away is exciting. </p>
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<p> Nelson, I'm a believer that jazz without education is dead. People need a reason to care. It always starts with the music. Your comment about sidemen is relevant to me. Blue Note and Prestige were great practitioners of giving a good sidemen an opportunity and matching players.</p>
<p> I also feel that presenting jazz in a concert setting saps the life and passion from it. The interaction between player and audience in a club where I'm ten feet away is exciting. </p>
<p> I think only a non-profit that shares our vision and experience can make it possible. Young artists need to work out their material before recordings by getting feedback from the potential paying customer. They need hard times, not Berklee as a teacher.</p> Well said Travis. Thank you…tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2011-01-14:1992552:Comment:1748462011-01-14T02:40:02.950ZDr. Nelson Harrisonhttps://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/NelsonHarrison
Well said Travis. Thank you for posting your thoughts and experience. I couldn't agree more. Another shortcoming in the presentation of jazz today is that the DJs do not mention the sidemen by name or say anything significant about them. In the jazz world the sidemen are as important as the leader and are equals artistically. The leader on a given recording is the one who has the contract, that's all. Jazz players typically do not choose lesser players for their sidemen but you would…
Well said Travis. Thank you for posting your thoughts and experience. I couldn't agree more. Another shortcoming in the presentation of jazz today is that the DJs do not mention the sidemen by name or say anything significant about them. In the jazz world the sidemen are as important as the leader and are equals artistically. The leader on a given recording is the one who has the contract, that's all. Jazz players typically do not choose lesser players for their sidemen but you would assume that from the way the DJs omit the sidemen from reference when they announce a tune. The 50s were a golden era in…tag:jazzburgher.ning.com,2011-01-14:1992552:Comment:1746532011-01-14T01:18:14.033ZKevin Hurst, Sr.https://jazzburgher.ning.com/profile/KevinHurstSr
The 50s were a golden era in jazz! Tenor sax men flourished a decade after Bird started a revolution. Jazz was used in Hollywood and TV commercials, the chitlin circuit thrived along with the black business community. Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers were the one of the most enduring groups along with Miles, Max, Clifford Brown, Newk, Monk , and Duke and Count Basie were traveling the world and who could forget Dizzy going on a State tour after Louis Armstrong with Quincy Jones! The swing cats were…
The 50s were a golden era in jazz! Tenor sax men flourished a decade after Bird started a revolution. Jazz was used in Hollywood and TV commercials, the chitlin circuit thrived along with the black business community. Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers were the one of the most enduring groups along with Miles, Max, Clifford Brown, Newk, Monk , and Duke and Count Basie were traveling the world and who could forget Dizzy going on a State tour after Louis Armstrong with Quincy Jones! The swing cats were still gigging tough so the time period even with the emergence of rock & roll which did not have soloists yet was a golden era.- kh